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I remember reading somewhere that before the Mending, WotC refused to turn planeswalkers into cards because any card based on a planeswalker would have to be so powerful that it would break the game. Since it's been confirmed that the new Teferi planeswalker in Commander 2014 is how he was before the Mending, do you feel his card accurately represents the strength of a pre-Mending planeswalker?
The card doesn’t represent everything he’s capable of but rather how much he’s willing to do to help you. : )
This. This really bothered me about the Mending and the motivations behind it. Who said that Planeswalker cards had to represent the entirety of that character’s capabilities? The fact that there have been multiple versions of characters tells us that was never the case. Why did we even need the Mending? And this Teferi tells me it was completely unnecessary to kill off so many iconic characters, and nerf the survivors for the sake of game balance and not focusing on ‘walkers so much.
Except, oh wait, now ‘walkers are the driving focus of the narrative.
Umm walkers were intended to be the driving force of the narrative. That’s one of the reasons for the depowering, because they felt super powerful world creating walkers were not interesting enough of characters, like how so many authors don’t write good superman stories just multiplied for each character. MaRo has been really open and honest about that.
Old Magic fanboys can’t help but complain about current Magic whether WotC makes oldwalkers card or not anyways.
I’m an old Magic fanboy all the way back from ‘94 and I’ll admit I was annoyed with the Mending. I mean, first we had Apocalypse kill a lot of main magic characters, then a few years later they kill off pretty much everyone else. Apocalypse at least felt like a culmination to the Phyrexian threat that had been lingering for years, and I really like the Invasion block story. Time Spiral was more just out of the blue, hey things are nuts on Dominaria for some reason, oh and a lot of your old favorite characters are gonna bite it. Then we get the planeswalker type a year later and it all became clear. One of those tear down the old world to build a new one type things. It felt like a little bit of a betrayal honestly. I understand why they did it, and I’ve come to love many neowalkers, but it’s hard not to harbor just a little resentment about the killing off your characters because we’re going through a rebranding thing. The whole thing about making planeswalkers less like unkillable gods makes sense for the very reason stated above. Superman is a poorly thought out character, he’s cool, sure you want to be him, but it’s hard to make compelling stories when he’s pretty much in no danger. If you have a whole bunch of characters who can only die with an act of god and are basically immortal, it makes for a bit of boring writing.
That said, I am super excited about Teferi and whoever else comes back. (btw my new hope for the blue legend is Jodah, he was the man in the magic novels).
Here's my answer to your question about the new fall Commander product and who I think the other new plamanders will be for the other colors. I think you're right on the money with white being Serra, black... I dunno... maybe Tevesh Szat. I know Blind Seer (Urza in disguise) was blue, but Urza also got rage-filled (Urza's Rage) and red also gets artificers, so I think red might be Urza. Green needs to be Freyalise. I've always loved Freyalise.
Ah so we agree on Serra. I think quite a few people out there think Serra is a good guess for white as well.
Black I agree is a little harder. I’m leaning more towards Leshrac now that I’ve thought about it for a night. I think Leshrac has a bit more story cred, he was around a little while longer and in a few more stories possibly. Tevesh Szat is just so crazy looking that I crave some more artwork of his tentacled lower torso. I would also like to say that some people are talking about Yawgmoth, the leader of the original Phyrexia, but Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker so he is right out. He did basically manage to become a god on the plane of Phyrexia by usurping the place of Phyrexia’s creator who had died of old age. Which btw, how old must that planeswalker that made Phyrexia have been? I mean pre-mending planeswalkers lived for thousands of years and were nigh unkillable.
Freyalise is a good guess for green. I had briefly thought about her, but like me picking Tevesh Szat over Leshrac, I’ve always had a fondness for Lord Windgrace. Freyalise is honestly more likely. She was a character in the lore starting in Ice Age I believe, which is a pretty long span. So she’s got a lot of story momentum.
Urza as the red walker? Maybe, possibly, who knows? While yes, he most definitely has a red side, I think people see him a little more on the blue. Personally I would say Urza is WRU and Mishra is UBR. That’s just my opinion though. I’d love to see an Urza planewalker card, and I think many others would as well, especially since he hasn’t even gotten a legendary card like Mishra. So sure, I’ll say that I’d like to see a mono-red Urza planeswalker.
Did WOTC seek the input of the EDH rules council before deciding to make planeswalkers that could serve as Commanders?
The council was very much consulted.
Something important to consider concerning Teferi and the rest of the commanderwalkers
So we’re not going to call them plammanders?
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